OT: DeLay Will Likely Be Booked This Week

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DeLay Will Likely Be Booked This Week (AP) Rep. Tom DeLay will likely be booked in a Texas county jail this week despite attempts by his attorneys to bypass the fingerprinting and mug shot process. The former House majority leader was forced to step down from the post last month when he was indicted by a Texas grand jury. DeLay initially was charged with conspiracy to violate the election code and days later was indicted on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to launder money in an alleged illegal scheme to funnel corporate money to Republican Texas legislative candidates. DeLay’s arraignment is set for Friday before state district Judge Bob Perkins in Travis County, Texas. "Perkins believes that if God was charged with a felony, he would have to go through the booking process, too," said D’Ann Underwood, court coordinator for the judge. Before Friday, DeLay, a Republican from Sugar Land, Texas, will likely spend about an hour being fingerprinted and photographed, she said.

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And we will all be happy! yea!!!!! So what? Your looking silly. And your boring. Texas Blue

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DeLay Will Likely Be Booked This Week > (AP) > Rep. Tom DeLay will likely be booked in a Texas county jail this week > despite attempts by his attorneys to bypass the fingerprinting and mug > shot process. > The former House majority leader was forced to step down from the post > last month when he was indicted by a Texas grand jury. DeLay initially > was charged with conspiracy to violate the election code and days later > was indicted on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to launder > money in an alleged illegal scheme to funnel corporate money to > Republican Texas legislative candidates. > DeLay’s arraignment is set for Friday before state district Judge Bob > Perkins in Travis County, Texas. > "Perkins believes that if God was charged with a felony, he would have > to go through the booking process, too," said D’Ann Underwood, court > coordinator for the judge. > Before Friday, DeLay, a Republican from Sugar Land, Texas, will likely > spend about an hour being fingerprinted and photographed, she said.

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I’ll be happy. I’m already happy – see Mr Soul

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->DeLay Will Likely Be Booked This Week >(AP) >Rep. Tom DeLay will likely be booked in a Texas county jail this week >despite attempts by his attorneys to bypass the fingerprinting and mug >shot process. >The former House majority leader was forced to step down from the post >last month when he was indicted by a Texas grand jury. DeLay initially >was charged with conspiracy to violate the election code and days later >was indicted on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to launder >money in an alleged illegal scheme to funnel corporate money to >Republican Texas legislative candidates. >DeLay’s arraignment is set for Friday before state district Judge Bob >Perkins in Travis County, Texas. >"Perkins believes that if God was charged with a felony, he would have >to go through the booking process, too," said D’Ann Underwood, court >coordinator for the judge. >Before Friday, DeLay, a Republican from Sugar Land, Texas, will likely >spend about an hour being fingerprinted and photographed, she said.

Even if he doesn’t get convicted of anything just being put through the indignity of this has got to be getting under his skin.  It was on CNN that he was offered a plea bargain and turned it down. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas,  Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the  Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE)  and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/

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Actually he has turned this into a boom fund raising period.  There was a report that he raised more money than ever. Mr Soul

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> And your boring

My boring what?

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Your just boring.

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> Your just boring.

My just boring what?

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snooze

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You’re = you are Your = possessive – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Your just boring. >> And your boring > My boring what?

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sorry zoot He’s possessively boring! ;o)

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>> Your just boring. >My just boring what?

lol… they’re, their, there; your, you’re; our, are; whose, who’s… all completely interchangeable words. Look for the apostrophe to be officially promoted to plural function soon.

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No Zoot explained it. He’s "possessively" boring, no " ‘ " needed. (;o) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Your just boring. >My just boring what? > lol… > they’re, their, there; your, you’re; our, are; whose, who’s… all > completely interchangeable words. > Look for the apostrophe to be officially promoted to plural function > soon.

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>>Your just boring. > My just boring what?

Your boring fat ass running around the cornfield chasing crows off of the crops, dumbass.

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nyuk nyu nyuk ttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7952/484/1600/Tom.Delay1.jpg

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> >>Your just boring. > My just boring what? > Your boring

You’re boring?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > nyuk nyu nyuk > http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7952/484/1600/Tom.Delay1.jpg

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> > >>Your just boring. > > My just boring what? > Your boring > You’re boring?

fishhead ain’t got no gramma or gampa neither

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http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7952/484/1600/Tom.Delay1.jpg

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> Even if he doesn’t get convicted of anything just being put through > the indignity of this has got to be getting under his skin.  It was on > CNN that he was offered a plea bargain and turned it down.

He won’t be needing it with his connections…

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I’d bet alot of money {at least over $5.50..} that he won’t and will walk away unscathed, business as usual. well-connected politicoids as Delay {de-lay! de-lay!} don’t get "booked" much less do proper jail time in federal prison <sigh> that’s just for the rest of us minion’ consumers who break their laws which they are above. don’t forget to vote though…

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> "Perkins believes that if God was charged with a felony, he would have > to go through the booking process, too," said D’Ann Underwood, court > coordinator for the judge.

oh god

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> I’d bet alot of money {at least over $5.50..} that he won’t > and will walk away unscathed, business as usual. > well-connected politicoids as Delay {de-lay! de-lay!} > don’t get "booked" much less do proper jail time in > federal prison > <sigh> > that’s just for the rest of us minion’ consumers > who break their laws > which they are above…

…Lights out, Guerilla radio…yeah, blah, blah… I prescribe you an 8 hour loop of "My Pal Foot-foot" by the Shaggs to push some of that RATM through the pipes. Fix you right up.

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CONGRESSIONAL MEMORANDUM: MAJORITY LEADER TOM DeLAY ISSUES LONG-OVERDUE REVISIONS TO U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES CODE OF ETHICAL CONDUCT Remarks by the House Majority Leader CONGRESSMAN DeLAY: Good afternoon. Now before any of you liberal media attack poodles start scribbling your lies and twisting my words, let’s get a couple things straight: Firstly, y’all would do well to remember that I’m like a Southwestern horny toad. I’m ugly, thorny, eat insects, and if you don’t back off, I will squirt a stream of hot blood from my eyes straight into your mouth. But unlike a horny toad, I can also dispatch a horde of congressional lackeys to root through your IRS files and financial statements to kill you to death with a thousand paper cuts. (Laughs.) Secondly, my talking here today is in no way statement on that backstabbing, partisan stuff that did or didn’t happen ever. So don’t ask no questions about things that I just plum don’t want to talk about. Because I am accountable to just three people: Jesus Christ, Denny Hastert, and George W. Bush, who graciously allowed me to make these statements from the White House, proving yet again that America’s forefathers intended for all noble power to be centralized into the clammy hands of a select few blue-eyed golf partners. That said, I am here today to announce a brand new ethical Code of Conduct for the House. These new rules have absolutely nothing to do with whatever slanderous bull hockey you spineless little cockroaches are cooking up with that socialist dyke Nancy Pelosi in order to take my cracker ass down. So digest these rules. Report them. And pray to whatever faggot gods you hold holy that I don’t come after you and squirt my poisonous artery mud all over your screaming mulatto babies. REVISED CODE OF ETHICAL CONDUCT Effective April, 2005 There is hereby adjusted by and for the House of Representatives the following code of conduct, to be known as the "Code of Official Conduct":    1. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall conduct himself at all times in a manner which shall reflect creditably on the House of Representatives – except for pudgy, suburban Houston cockroach hunters named Tom DeLay.    2. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall adhere to the spirit and the letter of the Rules of the House of Representatives and to the rules of duly constituted committees thereof – except for glistening, judiciary-threatening Christian soldiers named Tom DeLay.    3. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall receive no compensation nor shall he permit any compensation to accrue to his beneficial interest from any source, the receipt of which would occur by virtue of influence improperly exerted from his position in the Congress – except for rotund, gerrymandering legislative stalkers named Tom DeLay.    4. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall not accept gifts except as provided by the provisions of rule LI (Gift Rule) – except for squinty-eyed Russian lobbyist fraternizers named Tom DeLay.    5. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall accept no honorarium for a speech, writing for publication, or other similar activity – except for NRA-fellating, Vietnam combat-evaders named Tom DeLay.    6. A Member of the House of Representatives shall keep his campaign funds separate from his personal funds. A Member shall convert no campaign funds to personal use in excess of reimbursement for legitimate and verifiable campaign expenditures and shall expend no funds from his campaign account not attributable to bona fide campaign or political purposes – except for master nepotism practitioners named Tom DeLay.    7. A Member or officer of the House of Representatives shall retain no one under his payroll authority who does not perform official duties commensurate with the compensation received in the offices of the employing authority – except for serial charity-flavored money laundromat founders named Tom DeLay.    8. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall not discharge or refuse to hire any individual, or otherwise discriminate against any individual with respect to an individual’s race, color, religion, sex, handicap, age, or national origin – except for halitosis-venting leaders of 75% white Congressional Districts named Tom DeLay.    9. A Member of the House of Representatives who has been convicted by a court of record for the commission of a crime for which a sentence of two or more years’ imprisonment may be imposed should refrain from participation in the business of each committee of which he is a member and should refrain from voting on any question at a meeting of the House – except for vegetard-humping McJesus zombies named Tom DeLay.   10. Before any Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives may have access to classified information, the following oath (or affirmation) shall be executed:       "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will not disclose any classified information received in the course of my service with the House of Representatives, except as authorized by the House of Representatives or in accordance with its Rules – unless I am leech on the bung of democracy named Tom DeLay.." http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2005/041505.asp

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>>>>Your just boring. >>My just boring what? >Your boring fat ass running around the cornfield >chasing crows off of the crops, dumbass. > You’re boring

*Your* boring fat ass in the cornfield counting the extra capital gains you kept thanks to Ronald Reagan and the Republicans. Did pretty good on that house, yes? Kept a lot of your profit vs. the Carter rate (40%), yes? Ha-ha-ha-hahahhaaha!

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OT: 'The torturers among us'

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‘The torturers among us’ By Carol Towarnicky Philadelphia Daily News, March 15, 2005 "Somebody tell me frankly, what times are these, what kind of world, what country?" THESE words come from a poem about torture that Chilean writer Ariel Dorfman composed during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet. But they resonate through the seemingly daily revelations from government and military reports of the abuse of prisoners by Americans in Guantanamo, Afghanistan and Iraq. They fit all too well the testimony of those whom the CIA allegedly delivered to countries where they were tortured. Yet, in response, a disturbing number of Americans just shrug – or even applaud. What times are these? In the past, torture was inimical to the image of America. In the movies, it was the Japanese or the Nazis or the North Koreans who stooped so low, while Americans maintained their humanity. Yet this season, the "good guys" in the Counter Terrorism Unit on the TV series "24" have used methods approaching torture on at least three suspects so far. Even the show’s main character, Jack Bauer, personally delivered electric shocks to a man’s chest in a search for information. Systematic abuse was the dirty secret of the Soviet gulag and the Argentine generals’ "Dirty War." (They called their reign of mayhem in the 1970s "The War Against Terrorism and Subversion.") In the months after Sept. 11, we now know, torture became our secret as well. The attacks "changed everything," some said – including, it appears, our fidelity to the Constitution. The Founding Fathers abhorred torture and cruel treatment, even for those convicted of the most heinous crimes, says Seth Kreimer, a Penn law professor and Constitutional expert. But lawyers in the White House suggested several ways to get around that fact: Stateless terrorists fall outside the "quaint" rules of the Geneva Convention Against Torture, they argued, and besides, the president as commander in chief simply could order torture on his own. They made a distinction between narrowly-defined "torture" (which causes "severe" pain), and mere "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment." And when the Abu Ghraib abuses came to light, the current head of our Justice Department, Alberto Gonzales, was quick with denials that President Bush had ordered "torture," based on these narrow definitions. As Kreimer says, they parsed words in just the same way as Bill Clinton when he claimed, in a much less serious matter, that he "did not have sex with that woman." (As for discussions of whether torture might be acceptable to get information to stop a "ticking [nuclear] bomb," most suspects in these cases didn’t come close to qualifying as the kind of people who actually have information that could be beaten out of them.) "… .what country?" In an introduction to "Torture: A Collection," a book of essays, Ariel Dorfman writes that torture "presupposes, it requires, it craves the abrogation of our capacity to imagine others’ suffering, dehumanizing them so much that their pain is not our pain. It demands this of the torturer, placing the victim outside and beyond any form of compassion or empathy, but also demands of everyone else the same distancing, the same numbness…" Some Americans, it appears, already are well along the way to that "distancing" – if the last half hour of Friday’s "Radio Times" on WHYY-FM is an indication. The guest was Jane Mayer, whose article in the New Yorker detailed the policy of "extraordinary rendition," in which suspects kidnapped by the U. S. government are sent to countries known to use torture. The host, Marty Moss-Coane reported that half the callers favored torture being done in their name – even though some of those tortured are innocent. (Note: This was not the Rush Limbaugh show; this was public radio.) John C. Yoo, a former assistant attorney general who paved the way to this moment, likely would not be surprised. He told Jane Mayer that the election was "proof that the debate is over… the issue is dying out." Is it? A generation from now, will Americans be ashamed of how quickly the fear of brutal enemies led us to imitate them? Will they see American abuse of terror suspects as an aberration, like the internment of Japanese Americans in World War II? Or will the soul of the next generation be so damaged by willful blindness that it will have lost the capacity to be ashamed – or to return America to the vision of the Founding Fathers? "Somebody tell me frankly, what times are these, what kind of world, what country?" _____ Carol Towarnicky is the chief editorial writer of the Daily News. E-mail <http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/opinion/11139366.htm>        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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> ‘The torturers among us’

This flies in the face of reality. 1) Abu Graib had no systematic mutilation, or murders like those countries that comparisons that were made of in this propaganda piece. 2) Everyone that was found to have abused prisioners in Iraq, or Afghanistan is in the Criminal Justice System. There have been some abusers from Iraq, and Afghanistan that now in prison. If the abuse was ordered from higher-ups, those people would be in prison as well. See ya, John

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> ‘The torturers among us’ > This flies in the face of reality. > 1) Abu Graib had no systematic mutilation, or murders like those countries > that comparisons that were made of in this propaganda piece.

‘Nicer’ torture… the American way.  Moral relativism… the end justifies the means.  What about our buddy, Syria?  We subcontract out torture to them… what goes on there? > 2) Everyone that was found to have abused prisioners in Iraq, or Afghanistan > is in the Criminal Justice System. There have been some abusers from Iraq, > and Afghanistan that now in prison. If the abuse was ordered from > higher-ups, those people would be in prison as well.

And the tooth fairy exists… jeez, they *asked* Gonzales for an opinion about it.  I wonder why? __ Steve .

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>> ‘The torturers among us’ >This flies in the face of reality. >1) Abu Graib had no systematic mutilation, or murders like those countries >that comparisons that were made of in this propaganda piece.

Yeah, we’re much more systematic and nuanced torturers than those *bad* countries. >2) Everyone that was found to have abused prisioners in Iraq, or Afghanistan >is in the Criminal Justice System. There have been some abusers from Iraq, >and Afghanistan that now in prison. If the abuse was ordered from >higher-ups, those people would be in prison as well.

Horseshit — the investigation was a cover-up and torture is now policy, albeit unwritten.  The hillbilly reservists were nothing but scapegoats — the undocumented policy was propagated via civilian contractors to protect all but the very lowest in the formal chain of command.        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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> Yeah, we’re much more systematic > and nuanced torturers than those > *bad* countries.

Those countries CUT OFF limbs, BLIND prisoners, or they just disappear. You are comparing us, a country that send people to prison who put panties on prisoners heads? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->2) Everyone that was found to have abused prisioners in Iraq, or >Afghanistan >is in the Criminal Justice System. There have been some abusers from Iraq, >and Afghanistan that now in prison. If the abuse was ordered from >higher-ups, those people would be in prison as well. > Horseshit — the investigation was > a cover-up and torture is now > policy, albeit unwritten.  The > hillbilly reservists were nothing > but scapegoats — the undocumented > policy was propagated via civilian > contractors to protect all but the > very lowest in the formal chain of > command.

You need a reality check. We`ve sent a bunch of people to prison, some reservists, some regular military, and some irregulars that the CIA used in Afghanistan. See ya, John

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… > You need a reality check. We`ve sent a bunch of people to prison, some > reservists, some regular military, and some irregulars that the CIA used in > Afghanistan.

Patsies… pure and simple.  Gonzales set the tone.. __ Steve .

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> We`ve sent a bunch of people to prison, some > reservists, some regular military, and some irregulars that the CIA used in > Afghanistan.

All except the higher-ups (including Rummy et al) that authorized it.

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> … > You need a reality check. We`ve sent a bunch of people to prison, some > reservists, some regular military, and some irregulars that the CIA used > in > Afghanistan. > Patsies… pure and simple.  Gonzales set the tone..>

If he did, good for him. They should have strung about 100 of the murdering Baathist thugs up by their balls, or gutted a few of them in a public square and aired it on Al Jazeera (the lefty cowards  favorite news agency.) That’s the kind of treatment that gets a thugs attention. Set a few of them on fire in downtown Fallujia and watch how fast the left’s favorite freedom fighters, the "insurgents" run home to mama. Time for you leftist pussies to face reality for a change. I didn’t see any of your "heroic" leftist "human shields" protecting Iraqi voters. What’s the matter, afraid you’ll get hurt? Fucking hypocrites!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ‘The torturers among us’ > This flies in the face of reality. > 1) Abu Graib had no systematic mutilation, or murders like those countries > that comparisons that were made of in this propaganda piece. > 2) Everyone that was found to have abused prisioners in Iraq, or > Afghanistan is in the Criminal Justice System. There have been some > abusers from Iraq, and Afghanistan that now in prison. If the abuse was > ordered from higher-ups, those people would be in prison as well. > See ya, > John

Right you are, John. The lefty cowards, desperate to gain some form of political power would have you believe dressing a bunch of murdering Iraqi thugs in the Victoria’s Secret Spring Collection is the same as beheading an innocent aid worker with a saw. The implicit hypocrisy is why they will never win another major election, and thank God for that.

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Why not just sign on with Al Jazeera and get on with your *real* agenda? Lord Valve American Osama bin Morgen spewed: (the usual)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> … >> You need a reality check. We`ve sent a bunch of people to prison, some >> reservists, some regular military, and some irregulars that the CIA used > in >> Afghanistan. > Patsies… pure and simple.  Gonzales set the tone..> > If he did, good for him. They should have strung about 100 of the murdering > Baathist thugs up by their balls, or gutted a few of them in a public square > and aired it on Al Jazeera (the lefty cowards  favorite news agency.) That’s > the kind of treatment that gets a thugs attention. Set a few of them on fire > in downtown Fallujia and watch how fast the left’s favorite freedom > fighters, the "insurgents" run home to mama. Time for you leftist pussies to > face reality for a change. I didn’t see any of your "heroic" > leftist "human shields" protecting Iraqi voters. What’s the matter, afraid > you’ll get hurt? Fucking hypocrites!

What is wrong with this person?  Are we that ready to abandon Christian precepts? __ Steve .

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> Why not just sign on with Al Jazeera and get on with your *real* agenda?

Logic and rhetoric not your strong suite, Elvie? __ Steve .

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>2) Everyone that was found to have abused prisioners in Iraq, or Afghanistan >is in the Criminal Justice System. There have been some abusers from Iraq, >and Afghanistan that now in prison. If the abuse was ordered from >higher-ups, those people would be in prison as well.

        While I agree with you in general, John – there has been no reporting of CIA or Army intel staff that are in hot water. One consistent threat among the abusers is that they worked in part with these other staff. I’d be satisfied with a report that persons who cannot be named are being reprimanded or indicted in some way. There are probably another 6 or 8 people who appear to have skated on the whole issue. That general wasn’t the only senior staff responsible – and I’m not talking about the SecDef, just someone mid-level in the chain of command. The spooks appear to have gotten a free ride here. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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>jeez, they *asked* Gonzales for >an opinion about it.  I wonder why?

        This has been a regular policy since the 60s CIA ops where they would write staff reports and opinions about surveillance flights over other countries, spy missions in coastal waters, retrieval of other nations sunken vessels/flotsam, etc. This way they had a bunch of lawyer chaff to toss at the issue if someone grumbled about activities being illegal or in violation of treaties. It’s simply institutional inertia. They flog a report about that stuff because they always have. By itself, that’s not really a big deal. The issue lies elswhere, the report doesn’t imply any causation. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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>If he did, good for him. They should have strung about 100 of the murdering >Baathist thugs up by their balls, or gutted a few of them in a public square >and aired it on Al Jazeera (the lefty cowards  favorite news agency.) That’s >the kind of treatment that gets a thugs attention. Set a few of them on fire >in downtown Fallujia and watch how fast the left’s favorite freedom >fighters, the "insurgents" run home to mama.

        No, it’s unneccesary to stoop to their level when we can do something much more effective – utterly destroy their ideology.         And I mean nothing less than utterly desecrating a few dead insurgents during burial. Absolutely corrupted by sinful conditions, buried swimming in pork fat, in a pig cadaver. Filmed and distributed.         Become a suicide bomber and this happens to you. No seventy-two virgins for you – an express ticket to Hell instead. Would be hugely insulting, enragingly inflammatory, and effective as hell. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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> > Why not just sign on with Al Jazeera and get on with your *real* agenda? > Logic and rhetoric not your strong suite, Elvie? > __ > Steve > .

You don’t debate with a yapping poodle. You just tell it to shut up. Lord Valve American

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> You don’t debate with a yapping poodle. > You just tell it to shut up.

Okay. Shut up.

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Heh heh… he seems to be taking the same impudent tone with you that amuses me so much when he points it this way… As I said: what is it with the 2 of us, that he feels such a need to trouble his poor, tortured head over? How are we so important, as such things are reckoned? OTOH, he seems to be pausing a very long time in answering my *last* missive, while he builds his nerve and throws little things at others, here and there. Must be waiting on an urgent request for more information from whoever the master of such as he, is. Then again, he paused for a long time after the message I had to re-quote, too, and, in the end, made like he hadn’t seen it. Must be that it choked him and he rebooted, eventually coming back online none the wiser. That may happen to him again. Such as he seem to have very little RAM, as it were; they overload easily. Anyway, Freep

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> As I said: what is it with the 2 of us

You’re sort of like Romeo & Juliet, only ugly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Heh heh… he seems to be taking the same impudent tone with you that amuses >me so much when he points it this way… >As I said: what is it with the 2 of us, that he feels such a need to trouble >his poor, tortured head over? How are we so important, as such things are >reckoned? >OTOH, he seems to be pausing a very long time in answering my *last* >missive, while he builds his nerve and throws little things at others, here >and there. Must be waiting on an urgent request for more information from >whoever the master of such as he, is. Then again, he paused for a long time >after the message I had to re-quote, too, and, in the end, made like he >hadn’t seen it. Must be that it choked him and he rebooted, eventually >coming back online none the wiser. That may happen to him again. Such as he >seem to have very little RAM, as it were; they overload easily. >Anyway, >Freep

You guys are just practice for the real idiots….. TG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Why not just sign on with Al Jazeera and get on with your *real* >>>agenda? >>Logic and rhetoric not your strong suite, Elvie? >>__ >>Steve >>. >You don’t debate with a yapping poodle. >You just tell it to shut up. >Lord Valve >American

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> Heh heh… he seems to be taking the same impudent tone with you that amuses > me so much when he points it this way…

Poor sad little man- he only aspires to be as mighty as…..a tube salesman. What happened to all the hubris you displayed when you conspiratorily confessed  that you are a (gasp) rocket scientist- didn’t get the sense of awe you were looking for? > As I said: what is it with the 2 of us, that he feels such a need to trouble > his poor, tortured head over? How are we so important, as such things are > reckoned?

It’s pathetic, really. He has no clue how much of a nerd he is making of himself. > OTOH, he seems to be pausing a very long time in answering my *last* > missive, while he builds his nerve and throws little things at others, here > and there. Must be waiting on an urgent request for more information from > whoever the master of such as he, is. Then again, he paused for a long time > after the message I had to re-quote, too, and, in the end, made like he > hadn’t seen it. Must be that it choked him and he rebooted, eventually > coming back online none the wiser. That may happen to him again. Such as he > seem to have very little RAM, as it were; they overload easily.

That must beit, Freak, old saw. He simply can’t handle your superior intellect. ROFLMARO! What a nerd! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Why not just sign on with Al Jazeera and get on with your *real* >> > agenda? >> Logic and rhetoric not your strong suite, Elvie? >> __ >> Steve >> . > You don’t debate with a yapping poodle. > You just tell it to shut up. > Lord Valve > American

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>As I said: what is it with the 2 of us, that he feels >such a need to trouble his poor, tortured head >over? How are we so important, as such things >are reckoned?

You’re jerks. Extremely vocal jerks, at that. The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Why not just sign on with Al Jazeera and get on with your *real* agenda? > Logic and rhetoric not your strong suite, Elvie? > __ > Steve > . > You don’t debate with a yapping poodle. > You just tell it to shut up. > Lord Valve > American

What a wind bag. Bob

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New Tung-Sol 12ax7 vs. every 12ax7 I have…

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Well, I swore I would just put the new Tung-Sol 12ax7’s in and not feel like I had to A/B ‘em with every other tube I own……It never works that way. As others have reported, the TS tubes are a bit brighter than the 12ax7M or 12ax7EH. I’d say its more of a presence boost rather than an ice pick (3k) kinda bright. I compared the TS with an Ei, GT 12ax7M, Mullard,GE,RCA,Sylvania, a couple old?, an old Mesa Chinese 12ax7(it has the "clip" inside, but I’m not clear if its the "silver special" ax7). I swapped all of these in my Komet 60 since its a pretty fundamental beast, and it does clean as well as it does high-gain. I’m not so much a "glass snob" so I tried to beat the original Mullard. For crunch tones it was hands down the OS Mullard…. thick lows with a "perfectly" (imo) framed mid…damnit. The 12ax7M wasn’t far behind the real Mullard. It seemed to me that the 12×7M didn’t handle the higher gain settings as well as the real Mullard, but at med. gain they both had a familiar magic. At high gain, the Tung – Sol made it’s motive apparent. For lead stuff, nothing had a friendlier high end than the TS. I’ve never been able to get *that* much gain out of that amp, and like it . The harmonics weren’t overcome by mud and flab as with the other tubes at that level of gain. The Chinese Mesa was the next best at high-gain, but really lacked the high-mid harmonic voodoo the TS was packin’. I can’t imagine the results would be exactly the same as mine in other amps, but I’m curious to hear anybody else’s opinion of the TS 12ax7. btw: I was a little dissapointed by the vendor that sold these new TS tubes to me. I don’t wan’t to start any crap so I’ll be dicrete and only use his initials… we’ll call him "LV".   ) Quite a bit of fuss has been made about what an asshole said vendor is supposed to be. I looked forward to being  verbally maligned and overcharged, however all I got was friendly advice and ruthlessly competitive pricing on tubes and some filter caps…. I felt like a sucker, only ’cause I haven’t been ordering from him for years. Let the baboons screech. Thanks Willie… FD

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> Well, I swore I would just put the new Tung-Sol > 12ax7’s in and not feel like I had to A/B ‘em > with every other tube I own……It never works > that way. > As others have reported, the TS tubes are a bit > brighter than the 12ax7M or 12ax7EH. I’d say its > more of a presence boost rather than an ice pick > (3k) kinda bright. I compared the TS with an Ei, > GT 12ax7M, Mullard,GE,RCA,Sylvania, a couple old?, > an old Mesa Chinese 12ax7(it has the "clip" inside, > but I’m not clear if its the "silver special" ax7).

The Silver Special looks identical to the gray-plate version   of the same tube, except *everything* inside the tube is shiny.  (Except the micas, of course.)  Instead of the normal dull gray color, the plates are a shiny silver color like the "clip" you mentioned. > I swapped all of these in my Komet 60 since its > a pretty fundamental beast, and it does clean > as well as it does high-gain. I’m not so much a > "glass snob" so I tried to beat the original > Mullard. For crunch tones it was hands down the > OS Mullard…. thick lows with a "perfectly" (imo) > framed mid…damnit. The 12ax7M wasn’t far behind > the real Mullard. It seemed to me that the 12×7M > didn’t handle the higher gain settings as well as > the real Mullard, but at med. gain they both had > a familiar magic.

Your report matches most of the feedback I’ve had. > At high gain, the Tung – Sol made it’s motive apparent. > For lead stuff, nothing had a friendlier high end than > the TS. I’ve never been able to get *that* much gain > out of that amp, and like it .

These test *way* high on my Hickok, higher than ahything I’ve seen before. *Very* low noise, too, so when they’re put into a hot stage you can crank it *way* up. > The harmonics weren’t > overcome by mud and flab as with the other tubes > at that level of gain. The Chinese Mesa was the next > best at high-gain, but really lacked the high-mid > harmonic voodoo the TS was packin’.

I have the new TS in DT’s backup BFSR, and he’s     remarked several times on how good that amp sounds since I rebuilt it a couple of weeks ago. I imagine the next step is to pull the TS 12AX7s out of it and replace the Silver Specials in his main BFSR with them.  I’ll be talking with Joe Main about this when the tour resumes. > I can’t imagine the results would be exactly the same as mine > in other amps, but I’m curious to hear anybody else’s > opinion of the TS 12ax7.

I have ~50 in the field so far. No negative reports.  Several positive ones. > btw: I was a little dissapointed by the vendor that sold these > new TS tubes to me. I don’t wan’t to start any crap so I’ll be > dicrete and only use his initials… we’ll call him "LV".   )

Hmmm….no tellin’ who *that* might be… > Quite a bit of fuss has been made about what an asshole said > vendor is supposed to be. I looked forward to being  verbally > maligned and overcharged, however all I got was friendly > advice and ruthlessly competitive pricing on tubes and some > filter caps…. I felt like a sucker, only ’cause I haven’t > been ordering from him for years. Let the baboons screech.

Well, yeah…that’s what baboons do. If they stop, we’ll know something’s wrong with ‘em. Dead, probably.  ;-) > Thanks Willie…

No problemo.  ;-) You realize, of course, by reporting a positive experience in this matter, the Baboon Squad (anyone ever notice that their initials are "BS"?) will now consider you as a shill.  Prepare for abuse.  ;-) Lord Valve Businessman

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, I swore I would just put the new Tung-Sol > 12ax7’s in and not feel like I had to A/B ‘em > with every other tube I own……It never works > that way. > As others have reported, the TS tubes are a bit > brighter than the 12ax7M or 12ax7EH. I’d say its > more of a presence boost rather than an ice pick > (3k) kinda bright. I compared the TS with an Ei, > GT 12ax7M, Mullard,GE,RCA,Sylvania, a couple old?, > an old Mesa Chinese 12ax7(it has the "clip" inside, > but I’m not clear if its the "silver special" ax7). > I swapped all of these in my Komet 60 since its > a pretty fundamental beast, and it does clean > as well as it does high-gain. I’m not so much a > "glass snob" so I tried to beat the original > Mullard. For crunch tones it was hands down the > OS Mullard…. thick lows with a "perfectly" (imo) > framed mid…damnit. The 12ax7M wasn’t far behind > the real Mullard. It seemed to me that the 12×7M > didn’t handle the higher gain settings as well as > the real Mullard, but at med. gain they both had > a familiar magic. > At high gain, the Tung – Sol made it’s motive apparent. > For lead stuff, nothing had a friendlier high end than > the TS. I’ve never been able to get *that* much gain > out of that amp, and like it . The harmonics weren’t > overcome by mud and flab as with the other tubes > at that level of gain. The Chinese Mesa was the next > best at high-gain, but really lacked the high-mid > harmonic voodoo the TS was packin’. > I can’t imagine the results would be exactly the same as mine > in other amps, but I’m curious to hear anybody else’s > opinion of the TS 12ax7. > btw: I was a little dissapointed by the vendor that sold these > new TS tubes to me. I don’t wan’t to start any crap so I’ll be > dicrete and only use his initials… we’ll call him "LV".   ) > Quite a bit of fuss has been made about what an asshole said > vendor is supposed to be. I looked forward to being  verbally > maligned and overcharged, however all I got was friendly > advice and ruthlessly competitive pricing on tubes and some > filter caps…. I felt like a sucker, only ’cause I haven’t > been ordering from him for years. Let the baboons screech. > Thanks Willie… > FD

Nice post… it’s posts like these that make me part with cash to see what’s what…  ;-)  And tubes are *easy* to expense… Ya know.. it’s always *funny* to hear some folks (not your post) talk about politics/religion/etc and make claims as to whether people should buy shit from that country/person/govt.  They rant and rave (Blumby-like) and screech and froth… and in the end they buy their shoes, electronics, cars, clothes, and just about everything else with nary a THOUGHT about where it came from and who made it. If these pukes want to "buy american" they now have to check and be sure that the "foreign goods" they buy might be made overseas by a company that is AMERICAN OWNED..! ! !  Sheesh..! ! FWIW, if it wasn’t for Japanese cars, american cars would be TOTAL freakin JUNK..! ! !   Even the US car-company execs admit that. Politics aside, I try not to talk to LV all the time cause I always end up buying shit from him.  It’s always priced right, it gets here super fast, and it drives the poor baboon-squad up the wall. gtski

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Great. More tubes I gotta have. Thanks a lot. 8^/

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>however all I got was friendly >advice and ruthlessly competitive pricing on tubes and some >filter caps…. I felt like a sucker, only ’cause I haven’t >been ordering from him for years.

The Lord wrote the book on customer service. Period. Peter

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> Great. > More tubes I gotta have. > Thanks a lot. > 8^/

Just payin’ you guys back for the toys *I* had to go out and buy!

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> The Silver Special looks identical to the gray-plate version   of the > same tube, except *everything* inside the tube > is shiny.  (Except the micas, of course.)  Instead of the > normal dull gray color, the plates are a shiny silver color > like the "clip" you mentioned.

  Hmmmm…. nah, the ones I have are sportin’ the dull   grey plates. I better go on record as sayin’ I   *did not* put ‘em up against silver specials….yet. > You realize, of course, by reporting a positive > experience in this matter, the Baboon Squad > (anyone ever notice that their initials are "BS"?) > will now consider you as a shill.  Prepare for > abuse.  ;-) > Lord Valve > Businessman

  Oh yeah… I realize it. I’m about to rebuild a JMP that was "serviced" by perhaps one of your most persistant AGA critics. By looking inside the thing, I can tell you his opinion ain’t worth squat….Make no mistake, I ain’t the "sharpest knife in the drawer", but I wouldn’t let anything out the door this way. I might even have to take some pics of the bias supply filter just for funzies before I pull it out,   just in case…. ) fretwiredamnit I’ve dealt with *far* worse ‘holes than **anybody** in AGA…

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> Thanks.  I appreciated seeing comments on the tube. > Pete > — > Next year? > Who knows when that’ll be? –Bloo

 While my opinion isn’t "zackly" scientific,  I’m glad I posted it. I might learn WTF I’m  talking about quicker that way. BTW,  how is yer hound doin’ ? My beast chewed up an 8 channel Hosa snake the other day, I got the "red-ass" for a while then realized I didn’t have a use for it anymore….they look so cute after they destroy stuff…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, I swore I would just put the new Tung-Sol > 12ax7’s in and not feel like I had to A/B ‘em > with every other tube I own……It never works > that way. > As others have reported, the TS tubes are a bit > brighter than the 12ax7M or 12ax7EH. I’d say its > more of a presence boost rather than an ice pick > (3k) kinda bright. I compared the TS with an Ei, > GT 12ax7M, Mullard,GE,RCA,Sylvania, a couple old?, > an old Mesa Chinese 12ax7(it has the "clip" inside, > but I’m not clear if its the "silver special" ax7). > I swapped all of these in my Komet 60 since its > a pretty fundamental beast, and it does clean > as well as it does high-gain. I’m not so much a > "glass snob" so I tried to beat the original > Mullard. For crunch tones it was hands down the > OS Mullard…. thick lows with a "perfectly" (imo) > framed mid…damnit. The 12ax7M wasn’t far behind > the real Mullard. It seemed to me that the 12×7M > didn’t handle the higher gain settings as well as > the real Mullard, but at med. gain they both had > a familiar magic. > At high gain, the Tung – Sol made it’s motive apparent. > For lead stuff, nothing had a friendlier high end than > the TS. I’ve never been able to get *that* much gain > out of that amp, and like it . The harmonics weren’t > overcome by mud and flab as with the other tubes > at that level of gain. The Chinese Mesa was the next > best at high-gain, but really lacked the high-mid > harmonic voodoo the TS was packin’. > I can’t imagine the results would be exactly the same as mine > in other amps, but I’m curious to hear anybody else’s > opinion of the TS 12ax7. > btw: I was a little dissapointed by the vendor that sold these > new TS tubes to me. I don’t wan’t to start any crap so I’ll be > dicrete and only use his initials… we’ll call him "LV".   ) > Quite a bit of fuss has been made about what an asshole said > vendor is supposed to be. I looked forward to being  verbally > maligned and overcharged, however all I got was friendly > advice and ruthlessly competitive pricing on tubes and some > filter caps…. I felt like a sucker, only ’cause I haven’t > been ordering from him for years. Let the baboons screech. > Thanks Willie… > FD > Nice post… it’s posts like these that make me part with cash to see > what’s what…  ;-)  And tubes are *easy* to expense… > Ya know.. it’s always *funny* to hear some folks (not your post) talk > about politics/religion/etc and make claims as to whether people > should buy shit from that country/person/govt.  They rant and rave > (Blumby-like) and screech and froth… and in the end they buy their > shoes, electronics, cars, clothes, and just about everything else with > nary a THOUGHT about where it came from and who made it. > If these pukes want to "buy american" they now have to check and be > sure that the "foreign goods" they buy might be made overseas by a > company that is AMERICAN OWNED..! ! !  Sheesh..! ! > FWIW, if it wasn’t for Japanese cars, american cars would be TOTAL > freakin JUNK..! ! !   Even the US car-company execs admit that. > Politics aside, I try not to talk to LV all the time cause I always > end up buying shit from him.  It’s always priced right, it gets here > super fast, and it drives the poor baboon-squad up the wall. > gtski

It was the "high-mid harmonic voodoo" that did you in huh? The tube sounded better to me after I typed that.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks.  I appreciated seeing comments on the tube. > Pete > — > Next year? > Who knows when that’ll be? –Bloo > While my opinion isn’t "zackly" scientific, > I’m glad I posted it. I might learn WTF I’m > talking about quicker that way.

Scientific, I don’t need! I’m not worried about what the numbers tell someone else. >BTW,  how is yer hound doin’ ? >My beast chewed up an 8 channel Hosa snake >the other day, I got the "red-ass" for a while >then realized I didn’t have a use for it >anymore….they look so cute after they destroy >stuff…

Mine’s getting bigger all the time.  This is a rare picture of him laying down and *not* causing trouble… from a few days ago: http://bobfatcat.home.comcast.net/mojobellecarport.jpg Mojo hasn’t actually chewed many things up, but every puppy destroys something.  They try to figure out what’ll piss you off if they chew it up. He chewed up the runner on a Boston Rocker (not Tom Shultz, I said "Rocker") that’s been in the family for years.  And I’m pretty sure that he’s the one who chewed up my tubular guitar stand that I’ve had for a quarter century!  I’ve been picking up my LV cables because those look like they’d get chewed. He’s actually the best behaved puppy that I’ve dealt with in recent memory.   Much easier than my old Pointer "Belle", but she has a lot of championship field trial dog in her bloodlines, and I didn’t get her until she was 15 months old, and they figured out that she wasn’t suited for competition. Pete — Next year? Who knows when that’ll be? –Bloo

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Whilst wandering in usenet PMG stated… > Mine’s getting bigger all the time.  This is a rare picture of him > laying down and *not* causing trouble… from a few days ago: > http://bobfatcat.home.comcast.net/mojobellecarport.jpg

Zelda’s laying just like that next to me.  She’s worn out from a round of causing trouble and resting up for the next.  I figure I have another 20 minutes of peace if I’m lucky (and if I don’t move). > Mojo hasn’t actually chewed many things up, but every puppy destroys > something.  They try to figure out what’ll piss you off if they chew > it up.

Amen to that! > He chewed up the runner on a Boston Rocker (not Tom Shultz, I said > "Rocker") that’s been in the family for years.  And I’m pretty sure > that he’s the one who chewed up my tubular guitar stand that I’ve had > for a quarter century!  I’ve been picking up my LV cables because > those look like they’d get chewed.

my Shepherd Ralph tore the upholstery off of an old chair I had.  When he was a couple of years old I had it reupholstered.  Years latter my Shepherd RJ tore the upholstery off of it again.  That chair was doomed to canine abuse so I sent it to it’s reward.  Zelda never had a chance to have her way with it. RJ loved to bite through my guitar cables while I was playing.  He was a good dog but a heartless critic. > He’s actually the best behaved puppy that I’ve dealt with in recent > memory.   Much easier than my old Pointer "Belle", but she has a lot > of championship field trial dog in her bloodlines, and I didn’t get > her until she was 15 months old, and they figured out that she wasn’t > suited for competition.

This thread has me thinking it’s time to order some tubes from LV…

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>Whilst wandering in usenet PMG stated… > Mine’s getting bigger all the time.  This is a rare picture of him > laying down and *not* causing trouble… from a few days ago: > http://bobfatcat.home.comcast.net/mojobellecarport.jpg >Zelda’s laying just like that next to me.  She’s worn >out from a round of causing trouble and resting up for >the next.  I figure I have another 20 minutes of peace >if I’m lucky (and if I don’t move).

Zelda’s still young enough that I somehow doubt that she needs a full 20 minutes!   What’s cool is when puppies are *really* young, and they actually still get tired.  And you go….   oh thank God, it finally got worn out!!!!  But that doesn’t last very long. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mojo hasn’t actually chewed many things up, but every puppy destroys > something.  They try to figure out what’ll piss you off if they chew > it up. >Amen to that! > He chewed up the runner on a Boston Rocker (not Tom Shultz, I said > "Rocker") that’s been in the family for years.  And I’m pretty sure > that he’s the one who chewed up my tubular guitar stand that I’ve had > for a quarter century!  I’ve been picking up my LV cables because > those look like they’d get chewed. >my Shepherd Ralph tore the upholstery off of an old >chair I had.  When he was a couple of years old I >had it reupholstered.  Years latter my Shepherd RJ >tore the upholstery off of it again.  That chair >was doomed to canine abuse so I sent it to it’s >reward.  Zelda never had a chance to have her way >with it.

Poor Zelda. >RJ loved to bite through my guitar cables while >I was playing.  He was a good dog but a heartless >critic.

I was lucky that my neighbor offered to give Belle’s kennel back when Mojo arrived.  I was sort of planning to go buy another one.  I usually stick Mojo in the kennel when I play guitar, but by now he’s pretty used to the loud sound and he doesn’t mind being right there in the room. The first time he heard the stereo, I set him somewhere in the middle so that he could hear the stereo effect, and he was pretty much amazed.  It was something he’d never experienced before.  The thrill is gone by now though. He used to sit there, and watch my hands while I played guitar too, and seemed to be aware that I was somehow controlling the sound, but the sound was coming from somewhere else!  That doesn’t amuse him anymore either. He hasn’t chewed up any cables….  yet.  But I pick up the ones I’m worried about.  I didn’t puppy proof the house, but I just don’t feel like replacing those things. > He’s actually the best behaved puppy that I’ve dealt with in recent > memory.   Much easier than my old Pointer "Belle", but she has a lot > of championship field trial dog in her bloodlines, and I didn’t get > her until she was 15 months old, and they figured out that she wasn’t > suited for competition. >This thread has me thinking it’s time to order >some tubes from LV…

One more month, and I’ll be caught up with my Visa.  After that, I’ll think about it.  They sound like they’d be decent tubes. Pete — Next year? Who knows when that’ll be? –Bloo

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I have never noticed comparisons of these higher-end current 12AX7’s with the various NOS ’50’s – early ’60’s MILSPEC 12AX7WA’s, though they’ve always done exeptionally for me in demanding amps in all the versions I’ve had. I seldom see the same for NOS RCA 7025’s of the same era, either – possibly due to the rising costs & scarcity of both.  IYCO how do these compare with the better of the current offerrings such as the TungSol?

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Honda Element owners with dogs: Room for crates?

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not sure if my other msg posted … got some error messages … so here it is again (pardon the redundancy if both get posted) My wife got into dog shows a few years back (just after the "Best in Show" movie came out but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence) — we travel all over the southwest to dogshows. We just got an ‘04 Element EX last October and it really works great with the dogs — the crates, grooming tables, pop up tent, tables, umbrellas, and all the other stuff that goes along with it. The Element is VERY popular with the dogshow crowd — primary reasons being: * Great "square" storage area with flat floor * easy clean out with the rubberized "no carpeting" interior * very good mileage * Although all the crates and etc can be bulky, it really isnt heavy. So the Element hauling capacity is fine. Our dogs are small (http://www.havanese.org/ ) and we often haul four dogs in one big crate, plus all this other junk.  At the Scottsdale AZ show, we saw a young woman with a big crate that pretty much filled the back of her Element with two BIG Rottweilers. Looked cozy (ok, crowded) but it worked!! And she was thrilled with her Element, and I am too!!

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My wife got into dog shows a few years back (just after the "Best in Show" movie came out but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence) — we travel all over the southwest to dogshows. We just got an ‘04 Element EX last October and it really works great with the dogs — the crates, grooming tables, pop up tent, tables, umbrellas, and all the other stuff that goes along with it. The Element is VERY popular with the dogshow crowd — primary reasons being: * Great "square" storage area with flat floor * easy clean out with the rubberized "no carpeting" interior * very good mileage * Although all the crates and etc can be bulky, it really isnt heavy. So the Element hauling capacity is fine. Our dogs are small (http://www.havanese.org/ ) and we often haul four dogs in one big crate, plus all this other junk.  At the Scottsdale AZ show, we saw a young woman with a big crate that pretty much filled the back of her Element with two BIG Rottweilers. Looked cozy (ok, crowded) but it worked!! And she was thrilled with her Element, and I am too!!

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> I’m starting to investigate vehicles that will work well for our family > of two humans and two (maybe soon three) 60 lb dogs. > Any Element owners out there with large dogs? Do you find crates fit > well in the Element? Or do you use a pet barrier? Plenty of room? > Thanks for feedback.

We carry around couple of 60-70 lb dogs all the time

Concerts on TV

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Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and Rush in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock this Town’ is all I know. Freep

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OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep it…) at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at 10, Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray Cats again at 1:30am. Hey, it beats Dick Clark… Freep

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of > whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t > really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and Rush > in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, > and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as > well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats > show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock > this Town’ is all I know. > Freep

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>Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of >whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t >really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and Rush >in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, >and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as >well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats >show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock >this Town’ is all I know. >Freep

Turner Classic Movies is showing "Elvis on Tour", "The Last Waltz", and "The Song Remains The Same" tonight. No commercials… Today it is "The Maltese Falcon", "The Big Sleep", "Dark Passage", and "Key Largo". No musical content, but great flix. Claude

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Summer of 03 I saw Brian Setzer open for Tom Petty and he was amazing for that style. It was basically the Stray Cats, but could not use the name.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of > whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t > really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and Rush > in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, > and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as > well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats > show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock > this Town’ is all I know. > Freep

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The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but it’s a step in the right direction. There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. http://www.rbnc.net/ I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this guy’s bottles. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep it…) >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at 10, >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray Cats >again at 1:30am. >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… >Freep > Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of > whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t > really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and >Rush > in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, > and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as > well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats > show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock > this Town’ is all I know. > Freep

– That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > it’s a step in the right direction. > There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > http://www.rbnc.net/ > I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > guy’s bottles. > Pete >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep it…) >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at 10, >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray Cats >again at 1:30am. >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… >Freep >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and >Rush >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock >> this Town’ is all I know. >> Freep > — > That’s where this otherwise > briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

  The guy sure tries to make it appear that a lot of players used his slide. Duane Allman was long gone before he started the company as was many he sites. Seems like too much hype. BV

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > it’s a step in the right direction. > There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > http://www.rbnc.net/ > I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > guy’s bottles. > Pete > >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep >it…) > >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at >10, > >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray >Cats > >again at 1:30am. > >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… > >Freep > >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot >of > >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I >don’t > >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and > >Rush > >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a >tape, > >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live >as > >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray >Cats > >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with >’Rock > >> this Town’ is all I know. > >> Freep > — > That’s where this otherwise > briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo >  The guy sure tries to make it appear that a lot of players used his slide. >Duane Allman was long gone before he started the company as was many he >sites. Seems like too much hype. >BV

I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, I think… Claude

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>  The guy sure tries to make it appear that a lot of players used his slide. >Duane Allman was long gone before he started the company as was many he >sites. Seems like too much hype. >BV

I don’t see anything on his website claiming that Duane Allman used *his* new version of the Coricidin bottle.  He points out that Duane Allman used *a* Coricidin bottle, and that’s pretty much considered a well established fact. In fact, for years, all the famous slide players bragged about how they had a Coricidin bottle.  They weren’t all that easy to get your hands on, and got rarer all the time. I don’t see him making any false claims. He established that many famous slide players used the Coricidin bottle, which I was aware of before seeing his website. He has a reproduction of the famous Coricidin bottle made for him, and he sells them.  *That’s* what the situation is. But anyhow, the Dunlop version is pretty cool.  You should be able to find it at a lot of music stores, and they do have several sizes.   Much better than the metal slide I’d been using. Pete — That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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>I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that >came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, >I think… >Claude

I think I’ve seen the stuff on the shelves at the drug store, but it seems to be in plastic bottles these days.  Which wouldn’t work very well for slide! I take that back: http://www.coricidinhbp.com/ It comes in a cardboard box now!!! That won’t work. Pete — That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that >came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, >I think… >Claude >I think I’ve seen the stuff on the shelves at the drug store, but it >seems to be in plastic bottles these days.  Which wouldn’t work very >well for slide! >I take that back: http://www.coricidinhbp.com/ >It comes in a cardboard box now!!! >That won’t work. >Pete >– >That’s where this otherwise >briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

The one I have is glass. I had to wrap adhesive tape around my finger to get it to fit for sliding… I think it is a vintage bottle now, or something. Claude

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that >>came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, >>I think… >>Claude >I think I’ve seen the stuff on the shelves at the drug store, but it >seems to be in plastic bottles these days.  Which wouldn’t work very >well for slide! >I take that back: http://www.coricidinhbp.com/ >It comes in a cardboard box now!!! >That won’t work. >Pete >– >That’s where this otherwise >briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo >The one I have is glass. I had to wrap adhesive >tape around my finger to get it to fit for sliding… >I think it is a vintage bottle now, or something. >Claude

Think of what it could bring on Ebay! "RARE VINTAGE CORICIDIN BOTTLE!!!" I don’t know how you’d prove that it’s the real thing though, unless the real thing has some markings that only Coricidin experts know about. The Dunlop bottle, I accidently stuck my finger in past my knuckle once.  Oops.   I figured out pretty quick that *that* was a bad idea! I just wanted to see if it’d work better for me if it was farther on my finger, which wasn’t logical, and wouldn’t have worked.  And the things almost got stuck!! Pete — That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that >>>came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, >>>I think… >>>Claude >>I think I’ve seen the stuff on the shelves at the drug store, but it >>seems to be in plastic bottles these days.  Which wouldn’t work very >>well for slide! >>I take that back: http://www.coricidinhbp.com/ >>It comes in a cardboard box now!!! >>That won’t work. >>Pete >>– >>That’s where this otherwise >>briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo >The one I have is glass. I had to wrap adhesive >tape around my finger to get it to fit for sliding… >I think it is a vintage bottle now, or something. >Claude >Think of what it could bring on Ebay! >"RARE VINTAGE CORICIDIN BOTTLE!!!" >I don’t know how you’d prove that it’s the real thing though, unless >the real thing has some markings that only Coricidin experts know >about.

It has a number "13" on the bottom. Before Dunlop "reissued( a frigging bottle????)" them I heard a rumor people were getting $50.00 for ‘em due to the "Duane" thing. I got mine way before that… Mom had it for the medicine and I figured it would be a cool slide. Wish I’d got a case. >The Dunlop bottle, I accidently stuck my finger in past my knuckle >once.  Oops.   I figured out pretty quick that *that* was a bad idea! >I just wanted to see if it’d work better for me if it was farther on >my finger, which wasn’t logical, and wouldn’t have worked.  And the >things almost got stuck!!

I use the little finger for sliding. I don’t really do it that much. I also went to Sears and got a deep socket that fits my finger, but I think I prefer glass. Better overtones. Claude

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that >>>>came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, >>>>I think… >>>>Claude >>>I think I’ve seen the stuff on the shelves at the drug store, but it >>>seems to be in plastic bottles these days.  Which wouldn’t work very >>>well for slide! >>>I take that back: http://www.coricidinhbp.com/ >>>It comes in a cardboard box now!!! >>>That won’t work. >>>Pete >>>– >>>That’s where this otherwise >>>briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo >>The one I have is glass. I had to wrap adhesive >>tape around my finger to get it to fit for sliding… >>I think it is a vintage bottle now, or something. >>Claude >Think of what it could bring on Ebay! >"RARE VINTAGE CORICIDIN BOTTLE!!!" >I don’t know how you’d prove that it’s the real thing though, unless >the real thing has some markings that only Coricidin experts know >about. >It has a number "13" on the bottom.

Hmmmm… you got "the unlucky" Coricidin bottle.  The only way to lift that curse is if somebody steals that bottle from you.  It won’t work if you sell it though. That dark cloud that’s been hanging over you would pretty much vanish, and probably head towards New Orleans. >Before Dunlop "reissued( a frigging bottle????)" them I >heard a rumor people were getting $50.00 for ‘em due >to the "Duane" thing. I got mine way before that… >Mom had it for the medicine and I figured it would be >a cool slide. Wish I’d got a case.

If you could see into the future, think of all the investments you could have made. >The Dunlop bottle, I accidently stuck my finger in past my knuckle >once.  Oops.   I figured out pretty quick that *that* was a bad idea! >I just wanted to see if it’d work better for me if it was farther on >my finger, which wasn’t logical, and wouldn’t have worked.  And the >things almost got stuck!! >I use the little finger for sliding. I don’t really do it that much. >I also went to Sears and got a deep socket that fits my finger, >but I think I prefer glass. Better overtones. >Claude

I’ve been using my middle finger.  I haven’t been able to change that, even though I’m not a good slide player.  You’d think I could, but the action just never feels right, unless I use the wrong finger. I think I started using my middle finger years ago, because it allows me to play that two finger abortion of a bar chord.  But I still have to put the slide down before I can play with my fingers.  It’s pretty much a one or the other thing. Pete — That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; no pick. I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. Freep

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > it’s a step in the right direction. > There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > http://www.rbnc.net/ > I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > guy’s bottles. > Pete >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep it…) >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at 10, >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray Cats >again at 1:30am. >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… >Freep >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot of >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I don’t >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and >Rush >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a tape, >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live as >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray Cats >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with ‘Rock >> this Town’ is all I know. >> Freep > — > That’s where this otherwise > briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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>Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; no >pick.

Are you sure you didn’t see the Charlie Daniels Band? >I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, >though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. >Freep

I suppose I shouldn’t be too particular.  I can’t tell you what era that was. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > it’s a step in the right direction. > There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > http://www.rbnc.net/ > I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > guy’s bottles. > Pete > >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep >it…) > >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at >10, > >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray >Cats > >again at 1:30am. > >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… > >Freep > >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot >of > >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I >don’t > >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and > >Rush > >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a >tape, > >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live >as > >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray >Cats > >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with >’Rock > >> this Town’ is all I know. > >> Freep > — > That’s where this otherwise > briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

– That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>>I still have a Coricidin bottle somewhere that >>>>>came with Coricidin in it… Allergy medicine, >>>>>I think… >>>>>Claude >>>>I think I’ve seen the stuff on the shelves at the drug store, but it >>>>seems to be in plastic bottles these days.  Which wouldn’t work very >>>>well for slide! >>>>I take that back: http://www.coricidinhbp.com/ >>>>It comes in a cardboard box now!!! >>>>That won’t work. >>>>Pete >>>>– >>>>That’s where this otherwise >>>>briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo >>>The one I have is glass. I had to wrap adhesive >>>tape around my finger to get it to fit for sliding… >>>I think it is a vintage bottle now, or something. >>>Claude >>Think of what it could bring on Ebay! >>"RARE VINTAGE CORICIDIN BOTTLE!!!" >>I don’t know how you’d prove that it’s the real thing though, unless >>the real thing has some markings that only Coricidin experts know >>about. >It has a number "13" on the bottom. >Hmmmm… you got "the unlucky" Coricidin bottle.  The only way to lift >that curse is if somebody steals that bottle from you.  It won’t work >if you sell it though. >That dark cloud that’s been hanging over you would pretty much vanish, >and probably head towards New Orleans.

There’s already enough crappy mojo in New Orleans… Besides, I don’t have a personal dark cloud, only the rainclouds I *did* almost get caught in a flash flood the other day, but that was due to dumb fuckery on my part. >Before Dunlop "reissued( a frigging bottle????)" them I >heard a rumor people were getting $50.00 for ‘em due >to the "Duane" thing. I got mine way before that… >Mom had it for the medicine and I figured it would be >a cool slide. Wish I’d got a case. >If you could see into the future, think of all the investments you >could have made.

AC Cobras and Sunburst Les Pauls… Maybe the odd Ferrari and Telecaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>The Dunlop bottle, I accidently stuck my finger in past my knuckle >>once.  Oops.   I figured out pretty quick that *that* was a bad idea! >>I just wanted to see if it’d work better for me if it was farther on >>my finger, which wasn’t logical, and wouldn’t have worked.  And the >>things almost got stuck!! >I use the little finger for sliding. I don’t really do it that much. >I also went to Sears and got a deep socket that fits my finger, >but I think I prefer glass. Better overtones. >Claude >I’ve been using my middle finger.  I haven’t been able to change that, >even though I’m not a good slide player.  You’d think I could, but the >action just never feels right, unless I use the wrong finger. >I think I started using my middle finger years ago, because it allows >me to play that two finger abortion of a bar chord.  But I still have >to put the slide down before I can play with my fingers.  It’s pretty >much a one or the other thing.

I use the little finger and play chords… Watching the 3 Stooges on AMC. Recruiter > "Are you willing to fight for your country?" Curly > "No, I’m a Democrat" Some things never change. Claude

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>Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; no >pick.

Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks. That would be the current version… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, >though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. >Freep > The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > it’s a step in the right direction. > There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > http://www.rbnc.net/ > I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > guy’s bottles. > Pete > >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep >it…) > >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at >10, > >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray >Cats > >again at 1:30am. > >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… > >Freep > >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot >of > >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I >don’t > >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and > >Rush > >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a >tape, > >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live >as > >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray >Cats > >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with >’Rock > >> this Town’ is all I know. > >> Freep > — > That’s where this otherwise > briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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> Turner Classic Movies is showing "Elvis on Tour",

  I wonder if that is the one where Elvis is talking to his   buddies in a hallway about the great blow job the girl the night before   gave him, and he wondered if he could get another one that day …   I bet TCM would cut that out !

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>> Turner Classic Movies is showing "Elvis on Tour", >  I wonder if that is the one where Elvis is talking to his >  buddies in a hallway about the great blow job the girl the night before >  gave him, and he wondered if he could get another one that day … >  I bet TCM would cut that out !

I dunno if that’s the one, it’s on now… TCM is pretty good about not censoring movies… Claude

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>Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; no >pick.

The younger fella is DT. Peter

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Thanks. At least I know what I saw, now. Pretty good, as I said. Freep

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; no >pick. > Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks. > That would be the current version… >I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, >though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. >Freep >> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil >> Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. >> What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or >> Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. >> BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to >> try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this >> thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for >> some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but >> it’s a step in the right direction. >> There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. >> http://www.rbnc.net/ >> I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got >> is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this >> guy’s bottles. >> Pete >> >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep >it…) >> >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest at >10, >> >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray >Cats >> >again at 1:30am. >> >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… >> >Freep >> >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a lot >of >> >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I >don’t >> >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, and >> >Rush >> >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a >tape, >> >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers live >as >> >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a Stray >Cats >> >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with >’Rock >> >> this Town’ is all I know. >> >> Freep >> — >> That’s where this otherwise >> briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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>Thanks. At least I know what I saw, now. >Pretty good, as I said.

Yeah. Warren’s a real monster. 3 bands at once, too. Allmans Dead Govt. Mule. Busy busy busy Claude – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Freep > >Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long > >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; >no > >pick. > Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks. > That would be the current version… > >I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, > >though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. > >Freep > >> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > >> Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > >> What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > >> Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > >> BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > >> try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > >> thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > >> some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > >> it’s a step in the right direction. > >> There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > >> http://www.rbnc.net/ > >> I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > >> is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > >> guy’s bottles. > >> Pete > >> >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep > >it…) > >> >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest >at > >10, > >> >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray > >Cats > >> >again at 1:30am. > >> >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… > >> >Freep > >> >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a >lot > >of > >> >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I > >don’t > >> >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, >and > >> >Rush > >> >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a > >tape, > >> >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers >live > >as > >> >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a >Stray > >Cats > >> >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with > >’Rock > >> >> this Town’ is all I know. > >> >> Freep > >> — > >> That’s where this otherwise > >> briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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>I use the little finger and play chords… >Watching the 3 Stooges on AMC. >Recruiter > "Are you willing to fight for your country?" >Curly > "No, I’m a Democrat" >Some things never change. >Claude

That’s funny!  I saw a bunch of Stooges listed tonight.  I guess it was on AMC.  I was thinking it was a local channel, but AMC seems to be running a lot of them. I got to the TV & turned it on, and they’re in the middle of this dance bit, and Curly is doing some really bizarre dancing, and between songs his partner says "For a fat man, you’re quite a dancer!" Pete — That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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I tried to dig up another showing, but it doesn’t look like they’ll show it again for a while. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thanks. At least I know what I saw, now. >Pretty good, as I said. >Freep > >Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long > >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; >no > >pick. > Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks. > That would be the current version… > >I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, > >though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. > >Freep > >> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil > >> Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. > >> What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or > >> Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. > >> BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to > >> try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this > >> thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for > >> some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but > >> it’s a step in the right direction. > >> There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. > >> http://www.rbnc.net/ > >> I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got > >> is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this > >> guy’s bottles. > >> Pete > >> >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep > >it…) > >> >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest >at > >10, > >> >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray > >Cats > >> >again at 1:30am. > >> >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… > >> >Freep > >> >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a >lot > >of > >> >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I > >don’t > >> >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, >and > >> >Rush > >> >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a > >tape, > >> >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers >live > >as > >> >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a >Stray > >Cats > >> >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with > >’Rock > >> >> this Town’ is all I know. > >> >> Freep > >> — > >> That’s where this otherwise > >> briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

– That’s where this otherwise briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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You’d think he’d work off some of the excess avoirdupois that way… I wonder what gives. Just kidding. Yeah, it’s a good tape. You always catch the best stuff by accident, somehow. Freep

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks. At least I know what I saw, now. >Pretty good, as I said. > Yeah. > Warren’s a real monster. > 3 bands at once, too. > Allmans > Dead > Govt. Mule. > Busy busy busy > Claude >Freep >> >Well, on guitar there was this big, heavy, bearded guy with BIG ol’ long >> >hair, and a younger fella playing a red SG, pretty much with his fingers; >no >> >pick. >> Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks. >> That would be the current version… >> >I hope that helps; I’m not really an Allman Bros historian. Good playing, >> >though. Looked pretty recent. Good show. >> >Freep >> >> The only one on your list from today that I can tolerate is Neil >> >> Young.  And maybe Stray Cats. >> >> What era was the Allman Brothers show?  If it’s not a Derek Trucks or >> >> Duane Allman era, I’m not sure if I want to see it. >> >> BTW, I just got a Jim Dunlop built Coricidin bottle.  Always wanted to >> >> try one of those.  Kicks ass!  I can almost play slide with this >> >> thing.  And I’m much better at hitting the notes with this thing for >> >> some unexplained reason.  I still have no slide playing chops, but >> >> it’s a step in the right direction. >> >> There’s someone else making the Coricidin bottle now too. >> >> http://www.rbnc.net/ >> >> I might try one of his versions, because the Dunlop version that I got >> >> is bigger than I was wanting.  I guess Billy Gibbons uses one of this >> >> guy’s bottles. >> >> Pete >> >> >OK, I pulled the schedule. Triumph is on at 3:30, Stevie Nicks (keep >> >it…) >> >> >at 5, Poison at 6, Neil Young at 7, Bruce Hornsby at 9, Judas Priest >at >> >10, >> >> >Duran Duran at 11, Siouxie and the Banshees at 12 midnight, and Stray >> >Cats >> >> >again at 1:30am. >> >> >Hey, it beats Dick Clark… >> >> >Freep >> >> >> Hey, has anyone else noticed that ‘VH1 Classic’ has been showing a >lot >> >of >> >> >> whole concerts lately? As we speak, Simon & Garfunkel is on, and I >> >don’t >> >> >> really care about that one, but yesterday I happened to flip to it, >and >> >> >Rush >> >> >> in Rio was playing. I was about to leave for work, so I popped in a >> >tape, >> >> >> and when I got home, I not only had that, but the Allman Brothers >live >> >as >> >> >> well. I’m watching it now. And I caught the tail end (heh) of a >Stray >> >Cats >> >> >> show before S&G came on. Damn, sorry I missed it. They closed with >> >’Rock >> >> >> this Town’ is all I know. >> >> >> Freep >> >> — >> >> That’s where this otherwise >> >> briiiiilliant plan falls apart –Mojo Jojo

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OT: The dog is a lefty

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> I’m sorry about the phone line, Mike.  I trained her to pee on a bush.

You accidentally typed "a".

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sorry….  I meant one of the Bush’s(just for starters). Mary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry about the phone line, Mike.  I trained her to pee on a bush. > You accidentally typed "a".

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Snort … chuckle .. cough…. Don’t do that when I am drinking… Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m sorry about the phone line, Mike.  I trained her to pee on a bush. >Mary > I found that dog that keeps piddling on my phone line. Just As I > thought a lefty trying to silence me. It was a French poodle, I know > it was a lefty because that is the leg it lifted. I never saw a female > do that before.  I did not catch it, I figured it would surrender when > I approached, I was wrong it ran, barking "vote Kerry" > Mike > Drop PANTS before emailing. > An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. > Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. > mgbio

Drop PANTS before emailing. An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. mgbio

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That can cause a mess on the computer.  You’ll have to exuse me now.  I need to replace  the paper at the bottom of the bird’s cage.  Hey Jeff!! Where are those republican flyers that came in the mail? Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Snort … chuckle .. cough…. Don’t do that when I am drinking… > Mike >I’m sorry about the phone line, Mike.  I trained her to pee on a bush. >Mary >> I found that dog that keeps piddling on my phone line. Just As I >> thought a lefty trying to silence me. It was a French poodle, I know >> it was a lefty because that is the leg it lifted. I never saw a female >> do that before.  I did not catch it, I figured it would surrender when >> I approached, I was wrong it ran, barking "vote Kerry" >> Mike >> Drop PANTS before emailing. – >> An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. >> Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. >> mgbio > Drop PANTS before emailing. > An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. > Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. > mgbio

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I found that dog that keeps piddling on my phone line. Just As I thought a lefty trying to silence me. It was a French poodle, I know it was a lefty because that is the leg it lifted. I never saw a female do that before.  I did not catch it, I figured it would surrender when I approached, I was wrong it ran, barking "vote Kerry" Mike Drop PANTS before emailing. An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. mgbio

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I’m sorry about the phone line, Mike.  I trained her to pee on a bush. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I found that dog that keeps piddling on my phone line. Just As I > thought a lefty trying to silence me. It was a French poodle, I know > it was a lefty because that is the leg it lifted. I never saw a female > do that before.  I did not catch it, I figured it would surrender when > I approached, I was wrong it ran, barking "vote Kerry" > Mike > Drop PANTS before emailing. > An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. > Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. > mgbio

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The Fix (as usual) was In…

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Not at all surprising, either. Breaking News from NewsMax.com Lehrer on Defensive Over Biased Questioning PBS host Jim Lehrer was challenged Friday morning on claims that he went easy on Sen. John Kerry during Thursday night’s presidential debate, while tossing verbal hand grenades in President Bush’s direction designed to keep him on the defensive. "I don’t know what in the world you’re talking about," Lehrer told radio host Don Imus, in his only post-debate interview. "I would argue that my questions were right down the middle. There were some hardball questions for each candidate. There were some softball questions for each candidate. But for the most part they were just terrific." The bias complaint, said Lehrer, was more of a commentary on his critics than a valid criticism of his own debate performance. Still, some observers noted that Lehrer’s questions largely focused on negative aspects of Bush’s decision to go to war in Iraq – while avoiding Sen. Kerry’s waffling on the issue, not to mention the top Democrat’s long record of opposing measures to strengthen U.S. intelligence and national security. At one point Lehrer claimed that over ten thousand U.S. soldiers had been killed in Iraq, before quickly revising that number to 1,052. At the end of the debate, the PBS anchorman shook Sen. Kerry’s hand – with some debate watchers claiming he gave the top Democrat a knowing wink. In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked.

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 BAWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAH!!!!  Bush was reduced to a stumbling fumbling bumble mumbler because Leher was tossin him "verbal hand "grenades  damn, they just keep gettin funnier and funnier  BAWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAH!!!    BAWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAH!!!      BAWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAH!!!!!        BAWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAH!!!!!!! stop,, yer killin me : Not at all surprising, either. : : : Breaking News from NewsMax.com : : Lehrer on Defensive Over Biased Questioning : : PBS host Jim Lehrer was challenged Friday morning on : claims that he went easy on Sen. John Kerry during : Thursday night’s presidential debate, while tossing : verbal hand grenades in President Bush’s direction : designed to keep him on the defensive. : : "I don’t know what in the world you’re talking about," : Lehrer told radio host Don Imus, in his only post-debate : interview. : : "I would argue that my questions were right down the : middle. There were some hardball questions for each : candidate. There were some softball questions for each : candidate. But for the most part they were just terrific." : : The bias complaint, said Lehrer, was more of a commentary : on his critics than a valid criticism of his own debate : performance. : : Still, some observers noted that Lehrer’s questions largely : focused on negative aspects of Bush’s decision to go to war : in Iraq – while avoiding Sen. Kerry’s waffling on the issue, : not to mention the top Democrat’s long record of opposing : measures to strengthen U.S. intelligence and national security. : : At one point Lehrer claimed that over ten thousand U.S. soldiers : had been killed in Iraq, before quickly revising that number to : 1,052. : : At the end of the debate, the PBS anchorman shook Sen. Kerry’s : hand – with some debate watchers claiming he gave the top : Democrat a knowing wink. : : In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after : admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor : lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. : : In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed : that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major : coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential : debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked. : : :

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That was my impression.  That Lehrer’s questions to Kerry were specifically to give him free air time to hit people with his campaign speeches.  Because that’s all he was doing Thursday,  reciting his campaign speeches.  Nothing was thrown at him to trip him up at all. This is pretty much the way liberal news media works all the time anyhow.  The spend all their "news" time implying that George Bush is evil for starting a war in Iraq, when they should be thanking him for overthrowing two of the most dangerous governments in the middle east in less than for years.  And then they follow that up with coverage of the Kerry campaign. Every single newscast on regular network and PBS television goes that way.  War/Bush/Evil, Kerry/poodle/good.  Good doggy!!  Which is only interrupted by coverage of local rapes and murders, and police brutality. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Not at all surprising, either. >Breaking News from NewsMax.com >Lehrer on Defensive Over Biased Questioning >PBS host Jim Lehrer was challenged Friday morning on >claims that he went easy on Sen. John Kerry during >Thursday night’s presidential debate, while tossing >verbal hand grenades in President Bush’s direction >designed to keep him on the defensive. >"I don’t know what in the world you’re talking about," >Lehrer told radio host Don Imus, in his only post-debate >interview. >"I would argue that my questions were right down the >middle. There were some hardball questions for each >candidate. There were some softball questions for each >candidate. But for the most part they were just terrific." >The bias complaint, said Lehrer, was more of a commentary >on his critics than a valid criticism of his own debate >performance. >Still, some observers noted that Lehrer’s questions largely >focused on negative aspects of Bush’s decision to go to war >in Iraq – while avoiding Sen. Kerry’s waffling on the issue, >not to mention the top Democrat’s long record of opposing >measures to strengthen U.S. intelligence and national security. >At one point Lehrer claimed that over ten thousand U.S. soldiers >had been killed in Iraq, before quickly revising that number to >1,052. >At the end of the debate, the PBS anchorman shook Sen. Kerry’s >hand – with some debate watchers claiming he gave the top >Democrat a knowing wink. >In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after >admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor >lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. >In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed >that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major >coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential >debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked.

–                                             –Plank

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>NewsMax.com

= bullshit, as shown by… >Lehrer on Defensive Over Biased Questioning

When anyone with even half a brain (leaves out LV and NewsMax) could see that the questions Lehrer were fair and even-handed. >"I would argue that my questions were right down the >middle. There were some hardball questions for each >candidate. There were some softball questions for each >candidate. But for the most part they were just terrific."

Sorry that you have to state the obvious Mr. Lehrer. >The bias complaint, said Lehrer, was more of a commentary >on his critics than a valid criticism of his own debate >performance.

Lehrer’s GOOD!

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That was my impression. >> Let’s hope it’s better than your impression of Bob Hope.

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"It’s a poor man that blames his tools…."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not at all surprising, either. > Breaking News from NewsMax.com > Lehrer on Defensive Over Biased Questioning > PBS host Jim Lehrer was challenged Friday morning on > claims that he went easy on Sen. John Kerry during > Thursday night’s presidential debate, while tossing > verbal hand grenades in President Bush’s direction > designed to keep him on the defensive. > "I don’t know what in the world you’re talking about," > Lehrer told radio host Don Imus, in his only post-debate > interview. > "I would argue that my questions were right down the > middle. There were some hardball questions for each > candidate. There were some softball questions for each > candidate. But for the most part they were just terrific." > The bias complaint, said Lehrer, was more of a commentary > on his critics than a valid criticism of his own debate > performance. > Still, some observers noted that Lehrer’s questions largely > focused on negative aspects of Bush’s decision to go to war > in Iraq – while avoiding Sen. Kerry’s waffling on the issue, > not to mention the top Democrat’s long record of opposing > measures to strengthen U.S. intelligence and national security. > At one point Lehrer claimed that over ten thousand U.S. soldiers > had been killed in Iraq, before quickly revising that number to > 1,052. > At the end of the debate, the PBS anchorman shook Sen. Kerry’s > hand – with some debate watchers claiming he gave the top > Democrat a knowing wink. > In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after > admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor > lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. > In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed > that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major > coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential > debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked.

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Really digging, eh dumbass. You are hopeless in the truest meaning of the word.

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> Really digging, eh dumbass. > You are hopeless in the truest meaning of the word.

"In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked." There are none so blind… Lord Valve American

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Really digging, eh dumbass. > You are hopeless in the truest meaning of the word. > "In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after > admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor > lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. > In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed > that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major > coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential > debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked." > There are none so blind… > Lord Valve > American

If Lehrer was so biased, the RNC wouldn’t have even considered agreeing to having him moderate.  The fact that he passed a pretty tough vetting procedure speaks volumes, IMO. Is this the best argument you can give to put a righthand spin on the debate?   It was Faux’s own cameras that showed Bush at his worst via the split screen. –Mike (Just as American)  Mike Schway           |   [Picture your favorite quote here]  

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Would you and NewsMax like some cheese with your whine?   I swear, you guys wouldn’t care if the GOP put up a chimp for president as long it wasn’t a dreaded "liberal chimp." When one asks questions about Dumbern’yuh’s so- called record, how the hell can one avoid looking at what’s "negative" about 47 month of *utter failure*? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Not at all surprising, either. >Breaking News from NewsMax.com >Lehrer on Defensive Over Biased Questioning >PBS host Jim Lehrer was challenged Friday morning on >claims that he went easy on Sen. John Kerry during >Thursday night’s presidential debate, while tossing >verbal hand grenades in President Bush’s direction >designed to keep him on the defensive. >"I don’t know what in the world you’re talking about," >Lehrer told radio host Don Imus, in his only post-debate >interview. >"I would argue that my questions were right down the >middle. There were some hardball questions for each >candidate. There were some softball questions for each >candidate. But for the most part they were just terrific." >The bias complaint, said Lehrer, was more of a commentary >on his critics than a valid criticism of his own debate >performance. >Still, some observers noted that Lehrer’s questions largely >focused on negative aspects of Bush’s decision to go to war >in Iraq – while avoiding Sen. Kerry’s waffling on the issue, >not to mention the top Democrat’s long record of opposing >measures to strengthen U.S. intelligence and national security. >At one point Lehrer claimed that over ten thousand U.S. soldiers >had been killed in Iraq, before quickly revising that number to >1,052. >At the end of the debate, the PBS anchorman shook Sen. Kerry’s >hand – with some debate watchers claiming he gave the top >Democrat a knowing wink. >In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after >admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor >lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. >In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed >that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major >coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential >debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Really digging, eh dumbass. > You are hopeless in the truest meaning of the word. >"In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after >admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor >lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. >In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed >that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major >coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential >debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked." >There are none so blind…

…as the the fools who post old information.  NPR and PBS has been trending rightward ever since Dumber’nyuh took the oath — at this point they’re only a little to the of the bland centerist crowd, e.g. Chris Matthews and Tim Russert are only slightly to the right of the typical NPR/PBS host.   PBS just hired *Tucker Carlson*, fergawdsake — and he’s to the right such Faux News icons as Bill O’Reilly and Brit Hume! Remember, Lehrer was agreed upon by both James A. Baker for Dumber’nyuh and Vernon Jordan for Kerry — it’s not like he was imposed by one side or the other.  Of course I don’t expect the facts to stop you from whining, so by all means have at it!        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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: : > Really digging, eh dumbass. : > : > You are hopeless in the truest meaning of the word. : : : : "In 1999, the president of Lehrer’s network had to resign after : admitting that 53 PBS affiliates had been sharing their donor : lists with the Democratic National Committee for years. : : In 1997, then-White House aide George Stephanopoulos revealed : that President Clinton’s reelection team thought it was a major : coup when Lehrer was chosen to host one of the presidential : debates, boasting that "our moderator" had been picked." : : There are none so blind… : : : Lord Valve : American  OK, let’s for the sake of argument assume that Leher was presenting questions from ‘the liberal side’   I would still have to say,  none so blind as those who can’t see that if a feeble wuss like GW can’t stand up to the challenge of liberal questioning, then how’s a wuss like that going to stand up to the challenge of leading a nation ?   Other than pitifully,, as he’s well demonstrated

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BUSH'S LEAD WIDENS IN NEW POLL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "Apparently" is used because the polls are widely different.  Some show >> a >> tie, some show Bush way ahead.  Gallup is still using more Republicans >> in >> their sample than is logical, skewing the poll. >> "Apparently" is an appropriate word. >> If news organizations had any real ethics they wouldn’t use skewed polls >> anyway. >It is very *apparent* that Kerry is *not* ahead in any poll. > What’s really apparent is you’re another fuckwit. > Today polls are mostly a sham. Nearly all are by phone, most everyone > has a answering machine. So the only people taking time to respond to > polls are losers, fools and right wing shit that have no lives.

What will your excuse be when Bush wins re-election?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>"Apparently" is used because the polls are widely different.  Some show a >>tie, some show Bush way ahead.  Gallup is still using more Republicans in >>their sample than is logical, skewing the poll. >>"Apparently" is an appropriate word. >>If news organizations had any real ethics they wouldn’t use skewed polls >>anyway. >It is very *apparent* that Kerry is *not* ahead in any poll. > What’s really apparent is you’re another fuckwit. > Today polls are mostly a sham. Nearly all are by phone, most everyone > has a answering machine. So the only people taking time to respond to > polls are losers, fools and right wing shit that have no lives.

The good people that take the time to respond to polls will also tame the time to vote. Thanks to Jim and Sordo for the following links: http://www.race2004.net/ http://geekmedia.org/tradesports/ http://electionprojection.com/elections2004.html http://www.cookpolitical.com/ http://www.cookpolitical.com/races/report_pdfs/2004_electoral_sept27.pdf http://www.cookpolitical.com/races/report_pdfs/2004_senate_ratings_se… http://www.electoral-vote.com/ http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodayp… http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54435-2004Sep27.html http://www.gallup.com/election2004/showdown/ IBD/CSM: Bush 45, Kerry 45, Nader 2 ABC/WP: Bush 51, Kerry 45, Nader 1 Gallup: Bush 52, Kerry 44, Nader 3 GW/Battle: Bush 50, Kerry 45, Nader 0 Time: Bush 48, Kerry 42, Nader 5 Marist: Bush 50, Kerry 44, Nader 2 AP Ipsos: Bush 52, Kerry 45, Nader 1 Rasmussen (9/28): Bush 48, Kerry 46 Read them and weap…..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> "Apparently" is used because the polls are widely different.  Some show >>> a >>> tie, some show Bush way ahead.  Gallup is still using more Republicans >>> in >>> their sample than is logical, skewing the poll. >>> "Apparently" is an appropriate word. >>> If news organizations had any real ethics they wouldn’t use skewed polls >>> anyway. >>It is very *apparent* that Kerry is *not* ahead in any poll. > What’s really apparent is you’re another fuckwit. > Today polls are mostly a sham. Nearly all are by phone, most everyone > has a answering machine. So the only people taking time to respond to > polls are losers, fools and right wing shit that have no lives. >What will your excuse be when Bush wins re-election?

What will fuck ups like you say once its President-elect Kerry? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Apparently" is used because the polls are widely different.  Some show a tie, some show Bush way ahead.  Gallup is still using more Republicans in their sample than is logical, skewing the poll. "Apparently" is an appropriate word. If news organizations had any real ethics they wouldn’t use skewed polls anyway. — GOP Slogan:  War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Isn’t it interesting how whenever the polls are tightening, or show Kerry > with a slight lead, the media trumpets this with stories of how the > president is in trouble, and how Kerry is bouncing back.  Yet, curiously, if > the president is leading, even by a huge margin, the leftist media in this > country either doesn’t report it, or does so suspiciously. > The fact is that the press doesn’t want to believe it might be over for The > Souffl

weekly idiot report

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  The Top 10 Kerry Waffles > On Key Votes, Kerry Voted 100% Of The Time With Senator Kennedy In 2001, > 1999, 1998, 1993, 1992, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, and 1985. Over the > course of his Senate career, Kerry has sided with Senator Kennedy 94% of > the time for key votes. (Roll Call Key Votes, http://oncongress.cq.com, > December 2001) > Against Flag Burning Amendment: Kerry voted against a constitutional > amendment on flag desecration. (S.J. Res. 332, Roll Call Vote #128: > Rejected 58-42: R 38-7; D 20-35, June 26, 1990) > Against Death Penalty For Drug-Related Murders: Kerry voted against > approving the death penalty for drug-related murders. (S. 2455, Roll > Call Vote #175: Passed 65-29: R 37-6; D 28-23, June 10, 1988) > For The Largest Tax Increase In American History: Kerry voted to pass > Clinton

President Bush Assassinated

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>God created the universe in seven days. Yet, there is overwheliming >>evidence from every corner of the earth evolution is what caused the >>life on this planet. > Evolution is a crock dumped on dopes like you that easily fall for > fairytales. > Oh, there goes another irony meter ! > Fucking retard. > — > Jez > ‘Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable > notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often > led to accept, without much questioning, someone else’s version of what > that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be > skeptical of someone else’s description of reality.’- > Howard Zinn > Skype  callto://hellward

lol good quote mate

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

Imagine for a moment that a Republican posted a message of "John Kerry Assassinated".  I believe that all of you liberals would call the poster every name in the book and that he is a hateful person and many other thing! Joking about assassinating any candidate is irresponsible! I may not agree with John Kerry and his views, but I still think he has every right that any other American has, as does President Bush!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come. >Imagine for a moment that a Republican posted a message of "John Kerry >Assassinated".  I believe that all of you liberals would call the poster >every name in the book and that he is a hateful person and many other thing! >Joking about assassinating any candidate is irresponsible! I may not agree >with John Kerry and his views, but I still think he has every right that any >other American has, as does President Bush!

Sigh. A perfect example of why the US is so polarised at the moment. An in-your-face loony calling everybody that isn’t a neo-con extremist like himself "all of you liberals" and then insulting and denigrating them. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what passes for "debate" these days.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come. >Imagine for a moment that a Republican posted a message of "John Kerry >Assassinated".  I believe that all of you liberals would call the poster >every name in the book and that he is a hateful person and many other thing! >Joking about assassinating any candidate is irresponsible! I may not agree >with John Kerry and his views, but I still think he has every right that any >other American has, as does President Bush!

Exactly.  Which is just why those posters are just filthy vile shits.

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>Dont believe it >The World couldnt be so lucky >is Paul Wolfowitz next ….hopefully >When is US going to elect someone with a brain betwen the ears. >Freda

As soon as we get rid of the vile, mindless psycopaths like you.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > > > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > > > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > > > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > > > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > > > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > > > information to come. > > Your story is as legit as your email adress > You can tell it’s a fake because it doesn’t say "Evil doers." >plus it’s just too good to be true… >(sigh)

Join the mindless psycopath group with the others where you belong for just posting something this vile.

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

That’s not funny on two levels. . . First–jokes about someone getting shot, no matter how heinous the individual, are disgusting. Second–President Cheney?!

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I wonder if the threatening nature of the subject line chosen by the author of the trojan is enough to motivate the FBI into determining who created it – not because of it’s potential as a computer crime but because they might interpret it as a threat to national security (or presidential security)… And now for something completely different http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/obgyn.htm

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> There are simply too many things that point to creation. > If the earth wasn’t tiled on its axis we wouldn’t have seasons and the > earth would be too hot in some places and too cold in others. If there > was no moon we wouldn’t have tides in the oceans and therefore have no > changes in the weather and we wouldn’t have the temperate climate we > enjoy. If the planet Jupiter was just a few million miles closer or > further from the sun it would’t serve as the giant astroid deflector > it is and the earth would have been hit and destroyed by a comet or > large metor millions of years ago. If the sun was just 10% larger or > smaller the effect on earth would render it unliveable. You can simply > say that’s all random chance. I prefer to engange by brain and THINK.

You’re not helping your brain’s PR case any here. If the conditions on Earth weren’t favoriable for life to arise, life would instead have arisen somewhere else where the conditions were favorable. When you observe that the Earth is 2/3 covered with water, do you then marvel at the amazing good fortune of your home town, which was lucky enough to be established on dry land instead of in the middle of the Pacific? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos from 31 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu

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> So I ask you who is the bigger fool? One that believes in a superior > being that created the universe and all in it or some crack pot dummy > like you that’s stupid enough to thing the universe just poped into > being all by itself?

And how did your superior being come to be? Who is the bigger fool….One that can accept not knowing the complete answer to a question, or one who just makes up a convenient answer? Matt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come. > That’s not funny on two levels. . . > First–jokes about someone getting shot, no matter how heinous the > individual, are disgusting.

It’s another troll theist trying to make out that atheists are anarchists and murderers.  They’ll soon be pointing to what they posted under another name and screaming how it shows that atheists are dangerous and "anti-american".

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

Dude, Bogus News is going to sue you for ripping off a story they are running, and also leaving out the attempt at a punchline, resulting in no point being made, but merely everything being in poor taste. – Richard Hutnik

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

HOW DARE YOU????? HOW DARE YOU GET OUR HOPES UP LIKE THAT?????

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come. > Dude, Bogus News is going to sue you for ripping off a story they are > running, and also leaving out the attempt at a punchline, resulting in > no point being made, but merely everything being in poor taste. > – Richard Hutnik

White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones

and the bad thing theres no joke in this at all..

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>>God created the universe in seven days. Yet, there is overwheliming >evidence from every corner of the earth evolution is what caused the >life on this planet. > Evolution is a crock dumped on dopes like you that easily fall for > fairytales.

Oh, there goes another irony meter ! Fucking retard. — Jez ‘Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to accept, without much questioning, someone else’s version of what that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of someone else’s description of reality.’- Howard Zinn Skype  callto://hellward

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>>God created the universe in seven days. Yet, there is overwheliming >evidence from every corner of the earth evolution is what caused the >life on this planet. > Evolution is a crock dumped on dopes like you that easily fall for > fairytales. Dopes like you can’t explain HOW the first animals got on > earth, how they "evolved" since science has been looking for fossils > showing just ONE animal changing from something into something else > and hasn’t. Neither can "science" explain how the earth was formed or > the social system or the sun or the rest of the billions upon billions > of galaxies each having billions of stars most of which probably have > planets and I’m guessing many billions of such planets have life.

The breadth and depth of your ignorance and stupidity is matched only by your credulity.  Not one of the items to "discuss" in your rant is in any way consistent with current understanding.  You list problems that science cannot explain, totally ignorant that science has indeed explained them. I’ll leave you with just one question:  Who created your creator? — Enkidu aa 2165           That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps           America’s most important contribution to political progress           on this planet.                     Lowell Weicker                     Republican Senator 1971-1989

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> > The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come. > Your story is as legit as your email adress

You can tell it’s a fake because it doesn’t say "Evil doers."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > > information to come. > Your story is as legit as your email adress > You can tell it’s a fake because it doesn’t say "Evil doers."

plus it’s just too good to be true… (sigh)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Evolution is a crock dumped on dopes like you that easily fall for > fairytales. Dopes like you can’t explain HOW the first animals got on > earth, how they "evolved" since science has been looking for fossils > showing just ONE animal changing from something into something else > and hasn’t. Neither can "science" explain how the earth was formed or > the social system or the sun or the rest of the billions upon billions > of galaxies each having billions of stars most of which probably have > planets and I’m guessing many billions of such planets have life. > So I ask you who is the bigger fool? One that believes in a superior > being that created the universe and all in it or some crack pot dummy > like you that’s stupid enough to thing the universe just poped into > being all by itself? Or are you stupid enough to buy the latest > science which actually is dump enough to now suggest that in fact that > something from nothing IS what happened to accounts for how the > universe came to be, which is what you have to believe if you don’t > believe God is the answer. I think you’ve been out in the sun too > long. Your brain got fried. > There are simply too many things that point to creation. > If the earth wasn’t tiled on its axis we wouldn’t have seasons and the > earth would be too hot in some places and too cold in others. If there > was no moon we wouldn’t have tides in the oceans and therefore have no > changes in the weather and we wouldn’t have the temperate climate we > enjoy. If the planet Jupiter was just a few million miles closer or > further from the sun it would’t serve as the giant astroid deflector > it is and the earth would have been hit and destroyed by a comet or > large metor millions of years ago. If the sun was just 10% larger or > smaller the effect on earth would render it unliveable. You can simply > say that’s all random chance. I prefer to engange by brain and THINK. > True to form most of you idiots don’tknow what the bible actually > says. For example 99% of the population misreads the first two verses > in Genesis assuming that the second verse is a continuation of the > first verse and is the original creation story. It isn’t, which you’d > know if you studied Hebrew and learned how priests back centuries ago > made a simple but profound mistake when translating the bible into > English and other modern languages. The truth is Genesis is a very eye > opening book but ONLY if you know what the original Hebrew text was. > If you have the guts to have your eyes opened, go the the link below, > and see if you can understand the Hebrew in Genesis Chapter One verse > two explained rather well here: > http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/7_p3_lesson2.html > Once you grasp what’s being said you may break out into a cold sweat > because you realize the story we were taught and our children are > still taught is dead wrong. Genesis 1.2 isn’t descibing original > creation, all that’s mentioned in the bible about CREATION is Genesis, > Chapter One, verse one. That’s all! What follows is a whole new age > AFTER the fall of the angels when the earth lied in ruin and God moved > over the waters of the deep to RESTORE the earth. > Need more proof, check out what’s said in Genesis 1.28 > "And God blessed them, and God said unto them be fruitful and multiply > and REPLENISH the earth and subdue it…" > If Genesis One verse 2 to 27 were describing ORIGINAL creation, what > would need to be replenished? > Duh!

And prehistoric poodles spent their days dodging brontosaurs? Okay, maybe, saber-tooth poodles.

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>God created the universe in seven days. Yet, there is overwheliming >evidence from every corner of the earth evolution is what caused the >life on this planet.

Evolution is a crock dumped on dopes like you that easily fall for fairytales. Dopes like you can’t explain HOW the first animals got on earth, how they "evolved" since science has been looking for fossils showing just ONE animal changing from something into something else and hasn’t. Neither can "science" explain how the earth was formed or the social system or the sun or the rest of the billions upon billions of galaxies each having billions of stars most of which probably have planets and I’m guessing many billions of such planets have life. So I ask you who is the bigger fool? One that believes in a superior being that created the universe and all in it or some crack pot dummy like you that’s stupid enough to thing the universe just poped into being all by itself? Or are you stupid enough to buy the latest science which actually is dump enough to now suggest that in fact that something from nothing IS what happened to accounts for how the universe came to be, which is what you have to believe if you don’t believe God is the answer. I think you’ve been out in the sun too long. Your brain got fried. There are simply too many things that point to creation. If the earth wasn’t tiled on its axis we wouldn’t have seasons and the earth would be too hot in some places and too cold in others. If there was no moon we wouldn’t have tides in the oceans and therefore have no changes in the weather and we wouldn’t have the temperate climate we enjoy. If the planet Jupiter was just a few million miles closer or further from the sun it would’t serve as the giant astroid deflector it is and the earth would have been hit and destroyed by a comet or large metor millions of years ago. If the sun was just 10% larger or smaller the effect on earth would render it unliveable. You can simply say that’s all random chance. I prefer to engange by brain and THINK. True to form most of you idiots don’tknow what the bible actually says. For example 99% of the population misreads the first two verses in Genesis assuming that the second verse is a continuation of the first verse and is the original creation story. It isn’t, which you’d know if you studied Hebrew and learned how priests back centuries ago made a simple but profound mistake when translating the bible into English and other modern languages. The truth is Genesis is a very eye opening book but ONLY if you know what the original Hebrew text was. If you have the guts to have your eyes opened, go the the link below, and see if you can understand the Hebrew in Genesis Chapter One verse two explained rather well here: http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/7_p3_lesson2.html Once you grasp what’s being said you may break out into a cold sweat because you realize the story we were taught and our children are still taught is dead wrong. Genesis 1.2 isn’t descibing original creation, all that’s mentioned in the bible about CREATION is Genesis, Chapter One, verse one. That’s all! What follows is a whole new age AFTER the fall of the angels when the earth lied in ruin and God moved over the waters of the deep to RESTORE the earth. Need more proof, check out what’s said in Genesis 1.28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them be fruitful and multiply and REPLENISH the earth and subdue it…" If Genesis One verse 2 to 27 were describing ORIGINAL creation, what would need to be replenished? Duh!

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Dont believe it The World couldnt be so lucky is Paul Wolfowitz next ….hopefully When is US going to elect someone with a brain betwen the ears. Freda — Please reply to the list as my email address is a fake

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

Your story is as legit as your email adress

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Unfortunately, it won’t be this time around

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> The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce > that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They > showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several > Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those > interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven > since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More > information to come.

There is no God. The Christian God is a huge crock of shit. The Bible is full of thousands of lies, contradictions, scientific impossibilities, a murdering, vengeful God making the populace much, much worse-not better-and treating people like shit and killing them for no good reason. Based on this, if the Christian God were true, the lying, theiving, murdering Texas moron would be his man. But it’s not and he is never, never, never going to heaven. Assassinated? We should be so lucky! If it were ever to happen, I predict parties in cities and cars honking horns as if the home team had just won the Superbowl. Among the absolute horseshit in the Bible and the obvious lies and contradictions: God created the universe in seven days. Yet, there is overwheliming evidence from every corner of the earth evolution is what caused the life on this planet. God created the universe, a place of unlimited expansion and beauty, yet he prefers to live in a dark, tiny, ark like box more fit in size for burying a dog. And, by the way, he will smite you if you look inside it. The stone at Jesus’ tomb was rolled away. There was no stone at Jesus’ tomb All sin is forgiveable Blasphemy is not forgiveable A handful of people were able to take care of thousands and thousands of animals (a great deal of them natural enemies, no less) on a large boat for over a year Rain fell upon the earth at the rate of SIX INCHES! PER MINUTE! FOR 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS STRAIGHT WITHOUT LETUP! (enough to cover Mount Everest) A boat was constructed that somehow survived these rainy conditions without taking on enough water to sink, or failing structually People and animals were still able to breathe on that boat despite the fact rain was falling at six inches per minute, three hundred sixty inches per hour, DAY and NIGHT! An ax head floats in water (old testament) God has everything and created everything, so he needs nothing, yet, instead of being pleased that one person brings him an animal sacrifice and the other a natural vegetation sacrifice, which reflects their chosen and natural abilities, God condemns the natural vegetation sacrifice giver for no good reason-he was after all doing his best. It took thousands of people hundreds of years to build a temple less than one thousand square feet in space (must have been a no-bid Halliburton contract) One hundred thousand men "awoke" one morning to find they were dead (after they had died?) The earth is flat (many, many references to go forth to the four corners of the earth) Etc., etc., etc. Feel free to add your own favorite Bible bullshit!

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The local CBS station just interrupted regular programming to announce that President Bush has been assassinated!  Shot apparently.  They showed pictures of him on the ground.  Blood everywhere.  Several Secret Service agents wounded.  White House staff in shock.  Those interviewed expressed faith that Mr. Bush went directly to heaven since he carried out God’s plan against the evil ones.  More information to come.

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